Boston Herald- David Ibsen, president of the think tank United Against a Nuclear Iran, joined Boston Herald Radio’s “Adriana Cohen Show” yesterday to talk about the Iran nuclear deal and the country’s relationship with North Korea.

Q: What do you expect is going to be happening in October? The Iran nuclear deal is up for recertification Oct. 15, and we know that President Trump has called the deal an embarrassment to the United States.

A: It’s difficult to say.

Ultimately it’s the president’s decision, but a lot of indicators point to a decision to not certify the Iran deal.

As you know, the president is required under U.S. legislation every 90 days to certify to Congress that the Iran nuclear deal is accomplishing certain goals that are set out in the legislation, and that it’s also in line with American national security interests. He has the option not to make that certification, in which case a decision will go to Congress on whether or not to continue to waive sanctions under the deal. Some nuclear sanctions were waived, and Congress has 60 days to make that decision.

Everything that we’re seeing, indications coming out of the White House and the administration, is that the groundwork is being laid for a decision to not recertify that deal ... I wouldn’t be surprised if we see on the 15th a decision to back away from those previous certifications.

Q: What is Iran doing to help North Korea? And what would it mean by not recertifying that deal?

A: That’s one of the biggest concerns of the Iran nuclear deal, that it doesn’t restrict Iranian misbehavior and a number of other areas.

I mean, putting aside the question of whether or not it stops Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons — I think it doesn’t — there’s all these issues of ballistic missile testing, of hostage-taking, of supporting of regional proxies worldwide. And really the question of cooperation between North Korea and Iran, which continues to be ongoing and has negative security implications for the world.

I think one hope that people have is that if the president doesn’t recertify this deal that we can put pressure on our allies and the Iranians to shore up some of the shortcomings of the agreement.

If we want to tighten restrictions on Iran nuclear testing, if we want more access to nuclear sites in Iran, if we want to push back on Iranian misbehavior, if we want to shorten or lengthen the sunset clauses in the deal ... we can really negotiate and shore up some of those loose ends.